Grace in Listening

Kaylene Brown is so much more than our show producer! This woman is a powerhouse of empathy, understanding, and confidence… but she didn’t come by it easily. Join us as she walks through the not-so-fun murky waters of misunderstanding. Learning how to listen is a gift!

Heather Converse is a certified life coach and owner of Tree of Life Consulting. Mandy Capehart is a writer and grief coach, currently working through her first manuscript. Both love difficult conversations, leaning into tension, and producing the kind of uncomfortable atmosphere that unearths beauty and champions growth.


The Uncomfortable Grace Podcast is mixed & produced by Kaylene Brown.

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